Finance Board Meeting, 10/28/08
SGA Finance Board 10/28
Call to order
5:33pm
Roll Call
All present except for Silva, Catherine, Christine (late@5:34).
Approval of minutes:
Correction: Pointed out minor issues with attendance and contact information. Listed Emily as late, when she was absent.
Pre Meeting discussion
Next weeks meeting: Extravaganza starts at 7pm, will start setting up at 6:30. What should we do about this?
Wrap up at 6:30pm, we can’t skip the meeting. Decide to start the meeting at 5pm. Stefan will be late, has class.
Yasmin: Schedule orgs at 5?
Harsh: Yeah. Meeting will go to 6:15 or 6:30.
Calendar of events: People still can’t see calendar. Google it - is now public. Called Finance Board funded events. Add it to your gmail.
Capoeira:
Yasmin: Met with them with big event. Talked about meeting with treasurer. Now they are looking for a total of $1200 instead of $3000 (for the flight of masters), they felt like that part was most beneficial. Still feel like that’s a lot for club with only 5 members, suggested they advertise. Not sure if you guys want us to bring request to finance board.
Emily: Was told in prior years they just funded themselves
Yasmin: I think they’re trying to build relationships with finance board wat more members. Want to become a bigger org.
Emily: Will only benefit those 5 members.
Yasmin: just trying to become a regular club.
Harsh: Seems to be big community of non-UMBC students. 60 other people are the main beneficiaries.
Yasmin: would you be willing to reply? I feel differently.
Harsh: we have not seen a UMBC student from their org. at meetings.
Yasmin: Does anyone feel strongly enough to express feelings to them?
Emily: I don’t think he (president) cares. I will do it. He wasn’t serious about it. Prior pres dropped it.
Yasmin: formal email, explain our reasoning.
Allocations
5:34pm
Taiwanese Student Association: TSA Big 2 Tournament
Card game tournament. Card game in Taiwan: Big 2. Will be tutorial: rules for people who don’t know how to play. Not charging all students. $400 request, $200 for food $100 for decorations, $100 for sound system. Around 7-10pm. Balloons utensils cups 20 tables, 4 at each game. Rules guidelines as each table. Have invited Johns Hopkins TSA, collage park TSA, Georgetown TSA Towson TSA.
Questions:
Harsh: How many people are you expecting?
TSA: 100 To 120 people. Prizes to 1st, 2nd, 3rd places. Taking this money out of our treasury
Yasmin: charging to play?
No.
Harsh: Where is it going to be?
Skylight lounge.
Yasmin: is this booked already?
Yes, invites have been sent out. Start setting up at 6pm.
Emily: If you weren’t funded, how would you hold this event?
We don’t have sufficient funds, will ask alumni, regional grant from National Board of TSA. Will be hard to get money for them. They need more than 200 attendees to fund the event.
Yasmin: Big event for the semester?
Yes
Discussion:
Harsh: what happened last year?
Yasmin: Said they were charging last year.
Harsh: concerned about inviting people from other schools.
Emily: should charge them, but not UMBC students.
Yasmin: that’s the way some of these groups work. Not that big of a deal.
Christine: Don’t want $100 for decorations. Cut down.
Yasmin: $50?
Harsh: should we split up $50 utensils and $50 decoration
Yasmin: could give them $50 for supplies and specify in legislature.
Decision: New total $350. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
5:43
NSBE
Conference. Pay to be a member, you didn’t want to fund trip to conference. You don’t have to pay to be a member. Can go to conference without paying. Can do all sorts of things without paying. Only if you want to be affiliated with the national org.
Harsh: When is this conference?
NSBE: This Friday.
Harsh: Its probably too late to get funding now.
Yasmin: We had other issues with funding it. Conclusion we came to with sports or hobby clubs: has to follow what constitution says. You need to amend your constitution. We follow what’s written. We are also tight on money; we talked about benefit of conference. We discussed that. You mentioned networking.
NSBE: About competing, undergrad research. One of the largest student run orgs on campus. More students get these resources.
Harsh: Student activity fees are more for campus events and less for conferences.
James: Careful with council of majors.
NSEB: What kind of events do you fund?
Harsh: Usually on campus events. Do sometimes fund conferences: Filipino Student Association. Like a leadership conference, wasn’t for career resources.
NSEB: We also do things to help promote growth of engineering. Have other workshops. Not like a big career fair. Advice and tips on the engineering field.
Harsh: We have to go by your constitution. You do charge members, restricted funding org. Was the policy as well as some other issues.
NSEB: For future reference, do you fund groups like go club, chess club?
Yasmin: Yes.
James: Those were funded because of monetary amount and the number of people going. For Go Club the cost per person was reasonable. Have rejected other conferences.
Harsh: those orgs were not restricted orgs. We would recommend changing that in constitution if you don’t charge students. You will then be fully funded org.
NSEB: We are restricted? We didn’t receive any information like that.
Harsh: Yes. When the org was created or, the last time you updated your constitution.
Would have been helpful to have an email sent out regarding the change in status.
Harsh: This may have been an oversight with the previous Finance Board.
Christine: We are very aware of monetary issues right now.
Harsh: If your not restricted, you should get that changed.
NSEB: We have both fall and spring conferences. Want to make sure there is no issue with this in the future. Will go change constitution.
Yasmin: Do you know where to go for that?
NSEB: Yes.
6:02pm
Honors College & Ballroom Dance Club: Latin Dance Night
3rd one held. Last two semesters. It’s an effort between the honors collage and ballroom club to have beginners dance night. Will have lessons. Open to entire campus. Had at least 100 people last year. Music being played. Social as well as dance event. 3 or 4 performances throughout the night.
Questions:
Harsh: What time?
BDC: Lessons from 8 to 9, social from 9 to midnight
Harsh: where is it being held?
BDC: UC Ballroom
Christine: What kind for food?
BDC: Tried to buy in bulk. Some people would contribute food. Tried to make it healthy but not expensive. People who can’t dance will stay for food.
Snack food, not dinner?
BDC: Yes.
Stephanie: How are you advertising?
BDC: Spotlight, LED screens, Facebook, flyers.
Harsh: Is this the ballroom dance club asking for the money, or both?
BDC: Ballroom dance club.
Emily: How many people?
BDC: Hoping for 150 could get more. Long night, some just come for parts of it. Maybe about 225 altogether, depends on advertising.
Harsh: Free?
BDC: Yes
Yasmin: What will your Audiovisual be?
BDC: Sound and lighting. Providing our own performers - not getting paid.
Discussion:
Yasmin: both restricted?
David one restricted one doesn’t exist.
Yasmin; good event. Don’t need that much for marketing, wont be able to get banner before then anyhow. Might want to cut it down.
Christine: Had issue with food. Do they need $500 for snacks?
Yasmin: Seems ok. They do healthy food. Not chips and dip. Similar to the meeting food we funded.
David: Honors college council - this is an org. that is captive of the honors collage for the purpose of UMBC’s recognition, doesn’t exist doesn’t have control over its own funds. Honors collage says if they break away will not fund them, may come back for funding request at other times.
Yasmin: I think this is an event that we should go to since they will be having it every semester. Check if it’s worth funding in the future.
Harsh: Why did we get this request so late?
Yasmin: scheduling problems, submitted in May but I never got it. Going to talk about it with David.
Harsh: How much cut marketing?
Yasmin: $100
Cut down to $100 marketing $1532
Decision: $1532 new total. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
Not attending
Paksa: Eid Formal 2008 additional
Discussion:
Harsh: They did need money to set up something in skylight.
Decision: Members For: 3,Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
Students for Environmental Awareness:
Trash Monster
Discussion:
Christine: They have two different contact info.
Harsh: necessary for food?
Not really.
Stephanie: Think they might not need advertising. Giant trash monster will be hard to miss.
Yasmin: Advertisement to get people to come to actual trash pickup
Emily: Can use free flyers, Facebook, etc. Cut down to $25.
Decision: $119.50 new total. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
One Night Stand
Discussion:
Yasmin: had to move to different location – Potapsco closed. Taking Shriver center van. Need gas
Stephanie: additional allocations?
Yasmin: sort of
Decision: Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
Political Science Council of Majors: 2008 Presidential Debate:
Discussion:
Steve: This event is tomorrow.
Yasmin: scheduling issue – everything is ready for the event tomorrow.
Harsh: decorations?
Yasmin: $200 for 150 students?
Harsh: can cut down decorations
Yasmin: I want it to be festive, but don't think $100 is necessary.
Christine: $30
Decision: $230 new total. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
Gospel Choir: Hot Chocolate Give Away
Discussion:
Harsh: Issue with event
Yasmin: I’m only ok with the stickers
Steve: $200 for hot chocolate??
Stefan: Chartwells.
Yasmin: We can fund the stickers. Only thing related to org.
James: This raises point: Chartwells is being ridiculous/ unreasonable. Have you talked with them?
Yasmin: Have not responded to my emails.
James: I think action needs to be taken to higher authority.
Harsh: We need to encourage orgs to go off campus for food.
Yasmin: If admin wants to pay price they can do that, but we wont fund it.
David: Could say if you’re not at our meeting at x time then we wont fund orgs for your food.
Yasmin: We have no wavers, we should tell other groups they can get food off campus
David: Chartwells is new food services.
Sodexho wanted to have waver forms for any food off campus. Chartwells not interested in knowing.
Yasmin: Chartwells not shown up
David: Talk to student affairs
Steve: Have a meeting tomorrow about other issues, can bring it up.
Yasmin: drop the word at meeting.
Steve: Meal plan issues: power went out and meal plans reset Saturday.
James: Go full out at meeting. This is an ongoing issue.
Yasmin: I couldn’t get a quote for Halloween fest from them.
Harsh: vote for full amount?
Yasmin: I like the stickers
Stephanie: It’s a good idea
Yasmin: Can take this out of their carry over.
David: Refer back to restricted funded org: restricted org wants to give out pie and we allow it. Now an unrestricted org wants to give out hot chocolate, and we are saying no.
Harsh: We leaned from that previous event.
Christine: have no problem, not their fault, also giving out gospel messages.
Emily: Why hot chocolate?
Christen: people might not pick it up otherwise.
Steve: Cut it down.
Harsh: Should we start giving out money to groups that want to give out food?
Yasmin: How would you cut it down? Very hard to do without catering. We just won’t encourage them to use Chartwells.
Stephanie: They are planning to do it anyway.
Yasmin: I think adds to student experience. Good campus life thing, really college like event.
Harsh: what about their mission statement?
Christen: They have stickers with messages.
Harsh: IF Paksa decided to put stickers on their kabobs, would we fund them?
Yasmin: Religious messages are different, if kabobs were inspirational or cultural would be ok with it, but would not fund $400.
David: Don’t think of it as food, think of it as advertising. Comes packaged as food makes advertisement effective.
James: This is the same as paying for pizzas at a meeting. People might actually read the stickers. I do think that it’s a bit expensive.
David: I would have voted against pie, we should not be promoting advertisement for restricted org.
Harsh: how much to cut down?
Christine: $100
Stefan: Chartwells.
Yasmin: Should tell them that Chartwells might not be good to use.
Decision: $160 new total. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
STAND: Silent Screams of Struggling Society
Discussion:
Emily: Question: The gifts, what happens with that? Isn’t that an issue?
Harsh: not funded for on campus speakers.
Yasmin: that one time we did not fund gifts was when they were for recruiters.
Harsh: can fund the gas and gift for outside speaker.
Cut down to $100, new total $270
David: Issues with gift card as opposed to a gift.
Harsh: Could tell them via email money cannot be used for gift cards.
Yasmin: and money does not go to UMBC speaker
Decision: New total $270. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
6:45
SASA: Ajooba Additional
We went to the safe meeting and discovered that some of the cost we didn’t need, and some we needed to allocate elsewhere. Treasure forgot to put flyers on there, we are getting off campus. Decided to do chairs for the event. Forgot to put the DJ on there last time. Thought stage would be better setup with chairs, mini walkway
Questions:
Harsh: when is event?
SASA: 14th
Christine: who DJ?
SASA: DJ Lucky. Off campus.
Christine: you can’t get anyone to do it for free?
SASA: No.
Harsh: she forgot to put in the DJ?
SASA: Yea
Harsh: Is it absolutely necessary?
SASA: yes.
Harsh: you need DJ to play music for performers?
SASA: Yes, and play at gap between performances
Yasmin: If your providing mix for DJ. Can provide with laptop and ipod and Simon can do it for you at event. For whoever is running sound.
SASA: Always allocated DJ for past events.
Harsh: You asked for another 60 for flyers?
SASA: She forgotten to put on there, $299 allocated for market, somehow got cut to $60
Harsh: The reason we cut down is we didn’t feel we needed all that - can use SGA free flyers.
Yasmin: The request for marketing - they got that.
Harsh: you need another 60?
Emily: what would you do if we didn’t give you DJ?
SASA: We would have to look for another DJ
Christine: I know a DJ that would do it for free. Can ask around campus.
Harsh: My issue is that if you have mix for whole show, couldn’t you have someone from org do that? Why do you need a DJ?
SASA: Have them introducing people. None of us can just stand there and DJ. We have a deal with Sigma Beta Row, $400 isn’t for full cost, they are paying for half of it. If you wanted to cut it down, we can talk with them about paying more.
Christine: how much are they paying?
SASA: I’m not sure
Yasmin: it’s not unnecessary, I just don’t think $400 is something we want to fund.
Harsh: don’t need someone to play their mix.
Yasmin: Do you have carry over?
SASA: I’m not sure how much.
James: Could charge for off campus.
SASA: We don’t expect that many off-campus, idea thrown out by safe meetings.
Discussion:
Yasmin: want additional, can use some of they carryover
Harsh: Free flyers.
Emily: DJ not necessary for $400
Christine: I think we should cut it down.
Harsh: Should just remove it. DJ seems more necessary for the after party.
James: Assumption that they can get a free DJ is not one we should make. Cut it down, but don’t remove it.
Harsh: Skeptical of what JD will do if they have the mix already.
Yasmin: Fund $200. With performances am insecure about not having professional DJ. Event could fall through because of this.
Cut it down $200
Harsh: Cutting out flyers
Now $335 total.
David: Issue with org’s expectation that things we funded in the past can still be funded. Have to make that clear with orgs. Different standards now.
Yasmin: (to SASA) already spent $70,000, need to cut all costs for events in the spring.
Decision: $335 new total. Members For: 3, Opposed: 0, Abstaining: 1, Absent: 1
Post Meeting Discussion
Contacting:
Christine: Ballroom Dance Club
Emily: Capoeria
Harsh: STAND, TSA
Stefan: Gospel Choir, SEA
Yasmin: Political Science Council of Majors, Maryland Student Legislature, Ethiopian Eritrean Student Association
Announcements:
If you see Katie Dix, say thank you
Are looking for feedback about Homecoming.
Elections extravaganza coming up. Promotional during Halloween fest on Friday. Sent around sheet to volunteer for extravaganza. Time period critical between 7 and 9.
Yesterday had meeting with cellular solutions. Want to put six units on campus $26,000, would make money back and less than two years. Trying to talk with people in the commons.
6 weeks left in the semester. Emily has been recruiting people to run for SGA.
Book swap. Put in books you have up on myUMBC and books you want. Involve SGA facilitating that.
David: General issue with how much orgs know about SGA situation. Current financial issue with SGA is not well known, needs to be. Important to communicate situation to orgs. Now that we have fewer allocations at the end of the semester, we should spend time thinking about how to deal with this issue. Change is hard to explain to someone sitting in the room, even harder to explain to people who are not.
Harsh: Should tell them at the meeting ourselves.
Christine: Beginning of the meeting.
David: Have to be careful because saying you’ve given out money does not say anything about quality of events you are funding.
Emily: when groups try to ask for money, do they know what they need to do?
Yasmin: On back of allocation request has score sheet.
Emily: could we write a new one that states issue.
Yasmin: emails are great but would be more beneficial to have one on one conversations. Need to be confident about our decisions, but need to address issue of being out of money.
David: SGA trying to stimulate better campus life, but quality of campus life in jeopardy. Will be even less money as time goes on. People need to have better understanding of how fees are getting spent. Word has to get out. Six months till elections.
James: That is about 70% for reason of graph (see previous minutes). You are face of SGA. Need to think of that.
David: People are always going to be complaining. Will have to say no sometimes. Have to see how this fits into the bigger budget picture. Big projects over past couple years cannot be fully funded now.
Dinner with orgs is December 4th at 7pm - skylight.
David: Need 5 slides about reason to increase student fees (less too vague, more too complicated).
James: Putting graphs up?
Christine: Your presenting at the dinner.
Emily: Why do we want to increase student activity fees?
David: all other fees have gone up, now students want to attend event for free.
SGA has gotten more ambitions in terms of scale of projects. Bigger expenditures, SGA has been less ambitious in past.
Emily: Students who haven’t been to all events or conferences might not want this increase.
David: Ideally, value of events more than $75.
Yasmin: SGA helps make these events possible.
David: Have to show people where is money going. People will look to you. SGA can’t continue to spend at the rate it is spending - projecting $80,000 expenditure deficit. Would need to project how much student life would be effected if we to cut that much from the student budget.
Emily: People not as involved in events wont want to pay.
Yasmin: We should sit down and look at budget. SGA does other things for campus than fund orgs.
David: Looking at the budget may make you more cautions, about spending.
James: Conference arguments. As a government org you do lots of things to provide services people may not be using. For example with State Gov: I may not use all roads, but money is still needed to fund them.
Stephanie: Most people on campus are aware of today’s economy.
Harsh: Wouldn’t be more than a $10 increase.
Roll call
All members present except for Catherine and Silva.
Adjournment
7:29pm
Some discussion continued post adjournment.